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We've got ourselves a new wiki! :)

Our captain has begrudgingly given it the thumbs up - and that means that we're sailing.

Like Kon-Tiki in the image, we're barely floating and not as swift as we'd like.
But we're unsinkable! :D

Ogre Wiki

Screencast:
http://test.ogitor.org/OgreWikiScreencast.htm

Let's hope it stays with us for at least 5 years.
That's almost exactly the age of our (now former) MediaWiki wiki. :)

Cheers! :wink:

Any questions, flames, thoughts can go in this topic.

Or use the Ogre Wiki Shoutbox:
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Congratulations to everyone involved. I know that you invested a lot of time into it jacmoe! Looks indeed very polished now! :D
There seem to be some small glitches though.

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No, those are not glitches -those are put in the Wiki Bug Tracker for later! :P

Don't forget:
There's an extensive help section -> http://www.ogre3d.org/tikiwiki/Ogre+Wiki+Help
Use it - there's some differences in syntax.
And some cookies too. :)
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Known issues:
  • Funny characters - due to previous (bad) behaviour of Tiki which caused it to double-encode uni-code characters. Fixed in Tiki 5.0
  • Page alias links are currently broken. Worked before though. Will either fix or convert to redirects.
  • Some pages are not fully ported. The work has just begun. If you spot anything not in the Ogre Wiki Page Bug Tracker: report the issue by using the report link at the bottom of the page in question.
And, if you spot anything missing from the new wiki: I've got a complete copy of the old wiki on my machine, from early May..
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Hot tip:
When you enter Edit Mode, click the Fullscreen Button on the toolbar - and it gets a lot easier. :)
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Yes - it's inter-connected! :wink:
Go ahead and try.

If you find it too alien, visit the Wiki Help pages. :)
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One important thing:
Do not use <br/> tags - Tiki is clever enough to handle line-breaks as you see them.
No more double-enter or <br/> - what you see is basically what you get. :)
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Thank you very much for all the effort you put into this project, jacmoe.
Yes, it was a crazy idea, but it turned out to be really good in the end. Never expected it actually. ;) but I like it much more than what we had before.
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Thanks a lot, Haffax :)
No, to be honest, I really didn't expect it to succeed either.
I am still in a state of shock.. :D

I made a new Ogre Wiki Screencast to celebrate:
http://test.ogitor.org/OgreWikiScreencast.htm
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Congratulations Jacob!

Migrating between wiki engines is typically tricky. It was a huge undertaking!

On behalf of the Tiki community, thank you very much for all the contributions:
http://sourceforge.net/users/jacmoe2/

This is a great showcase of Tiki features. Also, the screencasts are very nice. I added to:
http://tikiwiki.org/Nice+Sites

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My thanks to Jacmoe for heading up this major project, and to spacegaer and other regular content contributors / reviewers. I hope the community embraces the new wiki and uses it to its full!

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Congratulations to all the new wiki team! and a little suggestion: what about a new entry on the Ogre home about the new wiki?

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Xavyiy wrote:Congratulations to all the new wiki team! and a little suggestion: what about a new entry on the Ogre home about the new wiki?
I was initially waiting to make sure it survived it's first couple of days live, then I forgot, sorry. I've posted a news item now.

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Thanks sinbad =)

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Great work - thanks four the new wiki.
Sorry for my less wiki converting support - you know the problem of time and motivation.

By the way - I think the sort of search results is not the best.
Pages which contains a search key in its page title should be in the first results.
E.g. when I search for "collision detection" the important page Collision detection with Newton is only at position 27 (page 2). It would be nice when it's possible to optimize the search for that issue.

Also I recognized a problem with attaching a file by the bottom button "attach file". I tried and after uploading the file wasn't there. Maybe it was to huge (~3 MB). In this case there should be a warning message (no success). Additionally there could be a maximum note under the "upload file" box.

Is there anywhere a read-only copy of the old wiki?
This would be help in some special cases. (e.g. I miss some entries/descriptions of my list of page Mogre Add-ons - I would like to see the page in the old wiki)
Help to add information to the wiki. Also tiny edits will let it grow ... :idea:
Add your country to your profile ... it's interesting to know from where of the world you are.

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+10 internet points for whoever provide a cache of the old wiki. What an immense amount of information trashed!

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Lekane wrote:What an immense amount of information trashed!
Jacmoe did not just create a new wiki. He spend a huge amount of time to move all the content to the new wiki and especially for improving the structure, layout and converting bugfix. Mistakes can happen, but they also can be fixed. So please don't shout.
Do you miss some special content which was in the old wiki?


I have an idea:
Under each page is an "add comment" button. The problem of wiki comments or discussions is, that most people don't see it. So it would be good, when wiki users can "subscribe" interesting pages. When somebody else adds a comment, then he get a notice.
A second point could be a forum thread - maybe called "wiki comments". For each comment could be added a new forum post automatically. With page title, quoted comment and page link. So it's easy to keep track of such wiki activity. (e.g. a newcomer adds a notice that a tutorial has a problem)
Help to add information to the wiki. Also tiny edits will let it grow ... :idea:
Add your country to your profile ... it's interesting to know from where of the world you are.

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Lekane wrote:+10 internet points for whoever provide a cache of the old wiki. What an immense amount of information trashed!
What amount of information trashed?
I personally converted each and every page of information from the old wiki, so I know that all the information is there.
You are free to not use it, of course - but don't spread lies.
But, if you miss anything at all, I have a complete copy of the old wiki on my local machine, from the 6th of May.
Send me a PM if there's a page missing.
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Beauty wrote:Great work - thanks four the new wiki.
Sorry for my less wiki converting support - you know the problem of time and motivation.
Thanks Beauty! :)
Beauty wrote:By the way - I think the sort of search results is not the best.
Pages which contains a search key in its page title should be in the first results.
E.g. when I search for "collision detection" the important page Collision detection with Newton is only at position 27 (page 2). It would be nice when it's possible to optimize the search for that issue.
I think they're fine - as you can search in three ways: freetags, list pages and search box.
The sorting of the search results could be improved, of course.
But it's also to do with performance. More accurate results would be more taxing for the server, so that's not an option.
The server is having enough trouble as is.
But it's still miles ahead of the MediaWiki search. :)
Beauty wrote:Also I recognized a problem with attaching a file by the bottom button "attach file". I tried and after uploading the file wasn't there. Maybe it was to huge (~3 MB). In this case there should be a warning message (no success). Additionally there could be a maximum note under the "upload file" box.
I have no control of that: the server limit is 2MB - if it's not written in the upload template, I'll add a notice to it.
Beauty wrote:Is there anywhere a read-only copy of the old wiki?
This would be help in some special cases. (e.g. I miss some entries/descriptions of my list of page Mogre Add-ons - I would like to see the page in the old wiki)
I have one on my local machine - send me a PM if you want to see an old page.
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It's good to see that you're building up Wiki steam, Beauty! :)
I was seriously worried that you'd quit wiki'ing after the switch.
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To see the latest comments, visit the Toolbox - Comments page:
http://www.ogre3d.org/tikiwiki/Comments

And the watch feature: I've turned it off because of performance issues.
I'll take a small peek at it later, but I think it's going to stay off - it's just too busy.
Maybe some kind of RSS feed..
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The Shoutbox page is for wiki questions:
http://www.ogre3d.org/tikiwiki/tiki-shoutbox.php
As an alternative to posting here.
It's semi-realtime. :)
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jacmoe wrote:But, if you miss anything at all, I have a complete copy of the old wiki on my local machine, from the 6th of May.
I'm interested to get the copy :wink:
I hope you did catch my last edits to the new wiki before the old one got offline. A few days before I added some tiny things, but had not much time (which was the reason that I only added it there).



In the wiki I tried to put pages into a structure. After a while and reading your help guide I found out how to do. But it's really terrible to edit the structure. Each refresh of the structure overview (after a click to modify) needs about 30 seconds full CPU power. It's still confusing for me and not intuitive.

And now I got a strange issue:
The page Building MOGRE 1.7 from source I put to the path Libraries » Alternative Languages » MOGRE . When I look to the structure overview it's on the right place. And there is no redundant entry of this page.
But when call the page Building MOGRE 1.7 from source, then I don't see the path Libraries » Alternative Languages » MOGRE » Building MOGRE 1.7 from source. Instead I just see Building MOGRE 1.7 from source after the structure symbol which indicades that would not be in a structure.
This is confusing me.

There is a possibility to select and add each page to the current page (called "node"). One time it worked (after pushing the update button), but an other time nothing changed.

I would be very happy if there is a way how to move a page inside the structure more userfriendly.
It's still possible to move it easy to a main section (e.g. Libraries).
Idea: When selecting such a main section, it would be great when there would appear a new combobox, which contains the sub sections. And after selecting a sub section there comes a combobox with the sub sub sections.



Again I'm often unhappy with the search function.
For example when I type "mogre" to the search box, then I don't see a result for the "MOGRE" page - even its title exactly fits to the search key (independent of the case state). Yes, I still told it, but I just want to say that I'm cry again and again :cry:


An other thing is the highlighting of the search keys. The text background is black. When I want to read the text, then the colour inversion is disturbing. Not only in the search results, also after clicking a page. Here is an example:
http://www.ogre3d.org/tikiwiki/PhysX+Ca ... %20Wrapper

Better would be to use bright soft coloured background colours for key heighlighting.
For this we need to update this CSS definitions:
"highlight_word_0", "highlight_word_1", "highlight_word_2", ...

In the css file the definition is .highlight_word_0{color:#ff6;background:#666}.
Better would be .highlight_word_0{color:#000;background:#ff6} instead. (value of text colour now used for background instead)


Please don't think I just want to shout.
I want to tell you my personal feedback and make improvements suggestions.
Help to add information to the wiki. Also tiny edits will let it grow ... :idea:
Add your country to your profile ... it's interesting to know from where of the world you are.

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I fixed the structure error: it looks like you turned the building mogre 1.7 into a structure of it's own.
I destroyed the structure, leaving the page, and then added it by adding a page from building mogre 1.6 (if there's an existing page of the same name, it'll add it instead of create it).

The structure page is indeed a monster.
Use it sparingly.
If you plan carefully, you can do most of the structure work from 'outside'.
I hope the Tiki developers implements some jQuery goodness to it...

And the highlighting:
Yes. I am not happy about the style either.
I'll see about fixing the style sheet.
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oops, cross posts ...
jacmoe wrote:More accurate results would be more taxing for the server, so that's not an option.
The performance reason is important.
But also important are good search results.
This was the big reason why Google started up rapide (10 years ago).
I still think, that pages with search keys in its titles are most relevant.
A good wiki search is important for a wiki and many users use it (I suppose). Even if I know how to find a page by clicking, I prefer to type key words to the search box.

Related to the performance - with a keyword index this wouldn't need much performance I think.
This index would include all words which are found on all page titles. And for each word entry you find the id of the related pages. (The same index also could contain the tags and links to the tagged pages)
One time you created the index, it doesn't need much performance to update it. A cron job could check all modified pages (e.g. at a daytime with low load).
Maybe there are still Tiki add ons available which provide an improved search.

I think they're fine - as you can search in three ways: freetags, list pages and search box.
Searching for tags? Searching in the structure?
I didn't see that this is possible. This also could happen to other users.

The Shoutbox page is for wiki questions:
http://www.ogre3d.org/tikiwiki/tiki-shoutbox.php
As an alternative to posting here.
I missed it. Now I found it in the Admin menu :P
It's good to see that you're building up Wiki steam, Beauty! :)
I was seriously worried that you'd quit wiki'ing after the switch.
The new wiki is different, but it's ok. I just need to train how to handle it.
One reason was the time. An other one a demotivation because of less support by others. I suppose you remember my good cry some months ago.
Help to add information to the wiki. Also tiny edits will let it grow ... :idea:
Add your country to your profile ... it's interesting to know from where of the world you are.

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