Cheap tactics of Microsoft

SomeFusion · Post by **SomeFusion** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:56 am

While browsing today for some information about static variable in C++ google send me to http://msdn.microsoft.com/de-de/library/s1sb61xd.aspx.
I'm on Linux and use KDE as a Desktop Environment because of that I use Konqueror as my browser. When
I try to go to the site mentioned above with my real user agent I get a unusable site, but when I change the agent to IE7 on WinXp I get a perfectly browsable site...

maybe I shouldn't be surprised since tengrandisburiedhere.com

Post by **jacmoe** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:59 am

Doesn't render funky using FireFox, so I guess that their code is not taking Konqueror into account.
Is Konqueror any good? Never used it.

PolyVox · Post by **PolyVox** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:24 am

SomeFusion wrote:I try to go to the site mentioned above with my real user agent I get a unusable site, but when I change the agent to IE7 on WinXp I get a perfectly browsable site...

So are you saying that with the wrong user agent they actually send you different, unrenderable, data? That's pretty low...

jacmoe wrote:Doesn't render funky using FireFox, so I guess that their code is not taking Konqueror into account.
Is Konqueror any good? Never used it.

It's supposed to be pretty good - I think it uses the WebKit engine (same as Safari and Chrome). Though I mght be wrong, it used to use KHTML

SomeFusion · Post by **SomeFusion** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:39 am

Konqueror still uses KHTML but with most sites I don't have any problem. The only addons I miss from Firefox are Weave and DownloadHelper but I have installed Firefox with Wine for that

. I'm just not keen on pulling half of the gnome desktop just for a browser. Besides that Konqueror starts up almost instantly compared to Firefox.

Post by **Kencho** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:17 pm

SomeFusion wrote:but I have installed Firefox with Wine for that

I have native Firefox and Konqueror in Ubuntu without any problems (installed from the repos). Why do you need Wine?

SomeFusion · Post by **SomeFusion** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:15 pm

Kencho wrote:
SomeFusion wrote:but I have installed Firefox with Wine for that
I have native Firefox and Konqueror in Ubuntu without any problems (installed from the repos). Why do you need Wine?

Its because it depends so heavily on GTK+. It pulls alot of extra packages that I don't need for anything else.

Post by **jacmoe** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:57 pm

I went the opposite route:
Installed Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu - now I have everything.

mkultra333 · Post by **mkultra333** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:27 pm

From the wiki article:

Microsoft refused to support DR-DOS in Windows; in one beta release of Windows, Microsoft included code that detected DR-DOS and displayed a warning message. DRI's successor Caldera Systems raised these disputes in a 1996 lawsuit, but the case was settled without a trial. As a condition of the settlement Microsoft paid Caldera $150 million and Caldera destroyed all documents it had produced in connection with the case.

Ah, I love the "destroy all your documents" clause. Not that Microsoft has anything to hide, right?

Post by **jacmoe** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:56 pm

$150 million in 1996 - sounds like a lot of money.

I guess it wasn't for them.

nikki · Post by **nikki** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:14 pm

SomeFusion wrote:
Kencho wrote:
SomeFusion wrote:but I have installed Firefox with Wine for that
I have native Firefox and Konqueror in Ubuntu without any problems (installed from the repos). Why do you need Wine?
Its because it depends so heavily on GTK+. It pulls alot of extra packages that I don't need for anything else.

But you're going to have Wine eh?

SomeFusion · Post by **SomeFusion** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:44 pm

Yes because I need wine anyway

reptor · Post by **reptor** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:36 pm

This thread reminds me of a movie I once saw. There were some young guys who were not liking this corporation X and were open-source proponents. And then one of them was hired by the corporation and the others thought, dude it's a bad move, they are going to pull you to the dark side, don't go!

Then of course when the dude went to work there anyways, he found out some evil plan by the boss.

Of course there was a mention of a backdoor to the operating system. I recall that was not the key thing of the movie but it was mentioned anyways.

It was obviously Microsoft, just with a different name. It was located in the state of Washington, USA.

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