General Availability of Visual Studio 2010
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General Availability of Visual Studio 2010
http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/pres ... S10PR.mspx
Anybody try it out?
Being able to step forward and backwards sounds pretty cool, and support for multiple monitors definately a plus.
Anybody try it out?
Being able to step forward and backwards sounds pretty cool, and support for multiple monitors definately a plus.
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Re: General Availability of Visual Studio 2010
Downloading the Premium trial version. Will try it and certainly use a version when I get back to my game (at the end of the year I think). I'll certainly play with it in the meantime.
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Re: General Availability of Visual Studio 2010
Professional, Premium, Ultimate ??
What's wrong with Standard, Professional, Enterprise?
I guess it doesn't sound cool enough..
Thanks for the heads up.
What's wrong with Standard, Professional, Enterprise?
I guess it doesn't sound cool enough..
Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: General Availability of Visual Studio 2010
I think it's to align with the Windows Seven versions, but we know that names are all about marketing...
I just regret that the Professional version don't have the optimization tools in it... I don't need other Premium's tools and it's really too expensive for me. (not using VS at work)
I just regret that the Professional version don't have the optimization tools in it... I don't need other Premium's tools and it's really too expensive for me. (not using VS at work)
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Re: General Availability of Visual Studio 2010
One thing I am looking forward to is just doing a good old-fashioned xcopy install.
Application-local runtime install:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library ... 00%29.aspx
But, using vcredist you are able to run your application with a different working directory, aren't you?
And you shave off some additional size if the user has the vc10 runtimes already.
Now, on to learning how to make Ogre Appwizards for VC10 ..
Application-local runtime install:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library ... 00%29.aspx
But, using vcredist you are able to run your application with a different working directory, aren't you?
And you shave off some additional size if the user has the vc10 runtimes already.
Now, on to learning how to make Ogre Appwizards for VC10 ..
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Re: General Availability of Visual Studio 2010
I've heard that you can actually develop in Visual Studio 2010 and downtarget it to vc9.
That's rather nice, using the native multi-targeting functionality of VS 2010.
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Yes, we can: Heh - and it works in Visual C++ Express as well!
That's rather nice, using the native multi-targeting functionality of VS 2010.
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Yes, we can: Heh - and it works in Visual C++ Express as well!
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Re: General Availability of Visual Studio 2010
Colour me impressed!
I converted the Ogitor solution (16 projects), and the class view tab was almost instantly available.
I then right-clicked a QString, and was taken to the right Qt header.
Then I clicked on Ogre::String and was taken to OgrePrerequisites.
Two things which VS2008 never could do.
And the editor window is very readable - they chose a good font.
So I am looking at my new development environment of choice now.
I converted the Ogitor solution (16 projects), and the class view tab was almost instantly available.
I then right-clicked a QString, and was taken to the right Qt header.
Then I clicked on Ogre::String and was taken to OgrePrerequisites.
Two things which VS2008 never could do.
And the editor window is very readable - they chose a good font.
So I am looking at my new development environment of choice now.
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Re: General Availability of Visual Studio 2010
Uhm, still trying it...
for now im not so much impressed: it is slower and less reactive than VC2008, and worst of all really takes ages to compile, Ogre 1.7 Debug+Release rebuild required 40 mins.
The interface is nicer than the Beta2, but Visual Assist X is not working.
Needs some other tests...
for now im not so much impressed: it is slower and less reactive than VC2008, and worst of all really takes ages to compile, Ogre 1.7 Debug+Release rebuild required 40 mins.
The interface is nicer than the Beta2, but Visual Assist X is not working.
Needs some other tests...
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Downloading it from DreamSpark.
You can install it alongside Visual Studio 2008, right?
You can install it alongside Visual Studio 2008, right?
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Yes, it works without uninstalling VS2008... luckily.
I can't get my project to work, i get an error in "memcpy.asm" in Ogre::Root::Root(), that according to the call stack happens in a string copy. Strange...
I can't get my project to work, i get an error in "memcpy.asm" in Ogre::Root::Root(), that according to the call stack happens in a string copy. Strange...
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It have been possible since VS6.0 without any problems. (each Vs installed separately on the same computer)Yes, it works without uninstalling VS2008... luckily.
Your compilation time seems wrong to me. Maybe you don't have a multi-core cpu? Even on my Athlon X2 4200+ (2 cores) I get less than 20 minutes of compilation time for Ogre.
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I find it faster and more responsive than 2008. Both the compiling and the interface.
And the intellisense is actually working, so no need to VAX it.
Why don't they buy Tomato? (Maybe they did?)
And the intellisense is actually working, so no need to VAX it.
Why don't they buy Tomato? (Maybe they did?)
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Re: General Availability of Visual Studio 2010
I'm pretty happy with VS2008 Express, so I have no intention of upgrading any time soon. I'm still on XP anyway, so I don't know if I could even if I wanted to. In the past new releases of Visual Studio have been a pain to me, as I'm forced to upgrade as various other open source projects I follow or test start requiring the latest VS version.
Someone mentioned how the lowest version doesn't have all the code optimizing of the other versions. Is the lowest version free? Are the missing optimizations things that VS2008 Express has, or does the lowest version of VS2010 produce code at least as optimized as VS2008 Express?
Someone mentioned how the lowest version doesn't have all the code optimizing of the other versions. Is the lowest version free? Are the missing optimizations things that VS2008 Express has, or does the lowest version of VS2010 produce code at least as optimized as VS2008 Express?
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Note sure, VAX has a beta version specific for VS2010 but I don't know what feature they added/removed.And the intellisense is actually working, so no need to VAX it.
At least, VAX is really better at colouring the code, allowing your to generate code from custom scripts, etc. So for C++ devs at least I think it's still worth. But maybe not at the current price of VAX I think I'll drop VAX too just because of the price.
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The versions are:Is the lowest version free? Are the missing optimizations things that VS2008 Express has, or does the lowest version of VS2010 produce code at least as optimized as VS2008 Express?
- Express (free)
- Professional ($799)
- Premium ($5469)
- Ultimate ($11899)
The new intellitrace feature (historical debugger which can replay your app to see what led up to crashes and what the user did) is only in Ultimate.
Things like profiling, code coverage, code metrics, etc are only in Premium and Ultimate.
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I have an E6600, and in fact i noticed that VC used the same core for all the Ogre build... this was not true with my project anyway, and that was indeed faster.Klaim wrote:It have been possible since VS6.0 without any problems. (each Vs installed separately on the same computer)Yes, it works without uninstalling VS2008... luckily.
Your compilation time seems wrong to me. Maybe you don't have a multi-core cpu? Even on my Athlon X2 4200+ (2 cores) I get less than 20 minutes of compilation time for Ogre.
About VAX, it can be useless for C# but i can't do without it in C++ , the default behaviour of IntelliSense is just doing nothing.
And anyway also VAX could be much better, for example Eclipse does magic with Java code!
Anyway i gave up for now from trying to use VC10 for my main development, there are no good reasons for the effort.
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Holy f#*$ing shit! IntelliTrace sounds awesome, but not take out a small mortgage awesome.Kojack wrote: - Ultimate ($11899)
The new intellitrace feature (historical debugger which can replay your app to see what led up to crashes and what the user did) is only in Ultimate.
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Luckily, there's good free tools to do those things, so I think Professional would be enough for my uses.Kojack wrote:The new intellitrace feature (historical debugger which can replay your app to see what led up to crashes and what the user did) is only in Ultimate.
Things like profiling, code coverage, code metrics, etc are only in Premium and Ultimate.
And I really don't need my hand to be held by VAX - I find it annoyingly intrusive. But I'm probably the only one!
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On the downside (apart from the massive price), intellitrace only works on managed languages, not native c++.
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If that was true, they wouldn't have already released 2010 Express Edition.I get the distinct perception MicroShaft has abandoned the single developer market.
(Cool side fact, the wikipedia page for Visual Studio Express mentions Ogre as an example of an open source project which supports Express)
I'm downloading my free copy of 2010 Professional right now. It's handy being an MSDNAA member.
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Please, write a small review when you've tried it.Kojack wrote:I'm downloading my free copy of 2010 Professional right now. It's handy being an MSDNAA member.
I'd like to know if it's worth the purchase.
(I need to save up for it)
I know that you could upgrade to it from the free express edition earlier, and I hope you can now.
You only pay the upgrade price then.
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I've been downloading it for 5 hours, and it's only 33%.
MSDNAA uses a special downloading app, and it sucks. It lost it's connection or something at 22% and just sat there doing nothing until I woke up half an hour ago and checked it.
I'll give Ogre a try as soon as I get it. I could do that with the beta (got it installed too), but I'd rather use the released version before making a real judgement.
Unfortunately Ogre won't be able to take advantage of some of the cool features like c++0x stuff, because then support for vs2008 and older gcc would have to be dropped, or code is doubled up.
Although that could be ok for special cases, apparently the new rvalue references can speed up code.
MSDNAA uses a special downloading app, and it sucks. It lost it's connection or something at 22% and just sat there doing nothing until I woke up half an hour ago and checked it.
I'll give Ogre a try as soon as I get it. I could do that with the beta (got it installed too), but I'd rather use the released version before making a real judgement.
Unfortunately Ogre won't be able to take advantage of some of the cool features like c++0x stuff, because then support for vs2008 and older gcc would have to be dropped, or code is doubled up.
Although that could be ok for special cases, apparently the new rvalue references can speed up code.
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Since the Ultimate Beta is available at MSDNAA I have the faint hope that Ultimate will also be on MSDNAA at some point..
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Re: General Availability of Visual Studio 2010
msdnaa always only release the professional version (2003, 2005, 2008 and now 2010), express version and betas of higher ones.
The project format has changed again, it's now .vcxproj instead of .vcproj. It's still xml based, but a different schema. I'm going to have to change my ruby script which modifies ogre's projects to suit my framework.
Ruby is great for modifying vcproj files.
The project format has changed again, it's now .vcxproj instead of .vcproj. It's still xml based, but a different schema. I'm going to have to change my ruby script which modifies ogre's projects to suit my framework.
Ruby is great for modifying vcproj files.
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Re: General Availability of Visual Studio 2010
Isn't it just It's not out on the UK MSDN AA yet thoughKojack wrote:I'm downloading my free copy of 2010 Professional right now. It's handy being an MSDNAA member.
Unlikely, we generally get the Professional versions.jjp wrote:Since the Ultimate Beta is available at MSDNAA I have the faint hope that Ultimate will also be on MSDNAA at some point..
And now it definitely hasn't even become worth me taking out a small mortgageKojack wrote:On the downside (apart from the massive price), intellitrace only works on managed languages, not native c++.
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