Roll Your Own Ogre

DrEvil · Post by **DrEvil** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:26 pm

I Figured while we're showing off Ogres I could post the Ogre being used in our Ogre3d powered RPG.

Base, Medium, Heavy
http://www.ghostgamers.com/sk/index.php ... tail&id=15

Caster
http://www.ghostgamers.com/sk/index.php ... tail&id=14

I'll post some WIP's of the female Ogre later.

Robbob · Post by **Robbob** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:51 pm

OK! So the ogre is now UV mapped ( after several file-format hurdles ) and the base diffuse texture is done, need to add some details. Any suggestions for what might be good?

http://uk.geocities.com/robbob@btintern ... sshot5.png

http://uk.geocities.com/robbob@btintern ... sshot6.png

EDIT: OK, sone the specular now. Just out of interest, what kind of polycount are we aiming for here?

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:24 pm

add, scares, maby one running diagnal across his left leg, moles, maby a club, and clothing texture

wavez · Post by **wavez** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:44 am

oooohhhh, you meant scars! For the longest time, I couldn't figure that out. Add, scares?

wavez · Post by **wavez** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:16 am

The teeth are the most recent adition here, when I'm finished he'll have gums and a tongue and all that. I wanted to get his teeth in for this shot, so it's kinda sloppy. I'm also going to add some more of those little wrinkes near the eyes.

I hope there's still an interest for this.

[edit]
I worked on it some, and now the pic is more current than before. I added eye color just so he would have pupils, and I started to work on the teeth and decided to do it later, and did more touch-up as always. Gotta sleep...
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KeaponLaffin · Post by **KeaponLaffin** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:53 am

I for one am still quite interested. OGRE is great, but needs good art to show it off. Keep up the good work.

Post by **sinbad** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:12 am

I'm still keeping an eye on this thread too.

wavez · Post by **wavez** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:08 pm

that pic will stay current.
For current info:
http://home.mlode.com/~rc/artwork/HiResOgre.html

Jezze · Post by **Jezze** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:03 pm

Quick questions:

1, What software are you using?
2, What modelling-technique are you using?

It looks really good, keep up the good work!

wavez · Post by **wavez** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:12 am

Jezze: Thanks. I'll try to answer your questions, but I don't know that the second one has a short answer, because it depends a little on what you meant by technique.

1, I use Wings. I will be using Blender, but probably not a whole lot for the ogre. I am fairly confident that Yafray will be the renderer I use to make some really snazy shots with global illumination and/or final gathering, before exporting to ogre. I say Yafray because it is so widely used, and because it integrates into both Wings and Blender. Blender may get chosen for the texturing, not sure yet though.

2, Technique? Well, for ogranic characters, the new standard is catmull-clark subdivision surfaces, which is what you see there. Before subdivision surfaces, nurbs was the way to do organic things, but that is not really used a lot for modeling anymore because it has more limitations and is more difficult to work with.

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If you were looking for something more specific with question two, like perhaps what's my approach to polygon sub surf's modeling, (ie modeling philosophy) then let me know.

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wavez · Post by **wavez** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:15 am

When I started work on my ogre's new expression, I tentativly said I would release a the head model in a week, but I don't think I'm going to hit that mark. So I'm setting a release date, and on--or before--that day, (before mignight, Pacific Standard Time) I'll release a file of some sort (whatever ogre uses [.mesh?] ) on my website that you all can download and play around with. The ogre is probably going to be a work in progress for quite a while, so I'm going to give the released models versions. I also want to protect my right's as the author, and allow all of you to use and enjoy the ogre completely free, so I need to find the right license (or copyright?) for him. Basicly, I just don't want anyone using him for profit and/or taking credit for him, because it is my work. Otherwise he is free. Hopfully that's a possibility. If not, I will still release him for free, and I'll just put my name in the file. Here's what's left for me to do:

1. Find an appropriate license, copyright, or otherwise legally binding statement for distribution.
2. Import to Blender and use blender export script, or convert from obj to ogre's format, whatever's easier.
3. Make sure the ogre model loads correctly and looks right in the ogre engine.
4. Create texture and UV map.
5. Improve the ogre's mesh as much as possible before release date!

I'm picking July 31st as the release date. That's next Saturday. Hopfully there won't be any major show stoppers, like my house burning down

wavez · Post by **wavez** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:12 am

okay, I got a license, and I got the ogre exported. Bottom of this page:
http://home.mlode.com/~rc/artwork/HiResOgre.html

On to the UV mapping.

mikeprosser · Post by **mikeprosser** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 5:41 am

looks great.

Fredz · Post by **Fredz** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:03 am

> On to the UV mapping

If you use Blender for UV mapping, there is a great new tool for unwrapping based on LSCM. It's only available in bf-blender for now, but I have read that it should be available in Blender 2.34.

Some details about how it works :
http://www.blender3d.org/cms/lukep_test.323.0.html
http://www.blender3d.org/cms/UV_Unwrapping.363.0.html

Linux version :
http://users.pandora.be/blendix/blender ... 15.tar.bz2
Windows version :
http://www.netconnexion.ca/~gbeloin/ely ... 040722.zip

neocryptek · Post by **neocryptek** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:22 am

ogre is looking great!

considered using normal maps to reduce the polycount when your all done? you could knock out quite a chunk of those polys, yet keep the same ammount of detail.
[plus normal mapping is allways a nice ogre feature to show off to newcombers

]

what ever happened to cstretten? we need a competition!

-N30

wavez · Post by **wavez** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:41 am

Ya, that's what I want to know, where is cstrettan? I thought this was a contest.

About the poly count: I'm not familier with normal maps, or at least, I've never heard that term before. I am familier with polygon reduction though, and It's really not necessary to use such an algorithym on him, since what you see is the high resolution subdivided surface of the original mesh. If you want a lower number of polygons, then I can cut it down to roughly 25% of what's pictured above. Here is a pic of the mesh I actually edit, the vertices I actually place myself:

http://home.mlode.com/~rc/HiResOgreHeadGEO.jpg

Each square poly is split into 4 new ones when I run subdivision surfaces on it. Even with the high number of polygons (currently at 16,814) ogre still runs at about 30fps on my machine, even when I move the mesh around, and have environment mapping applied.

Don't worry about it though, I'll release the original mesh, and the subdivided one, so you can choose which one you want to use.

One other thought: I showed some friends of mine the water demo, and all they could focus on was the head swimming around, instead of the really cool water. I thought I would make a hand mesh for that demo, like a hand dragging it's finger thru the water. Maybe that sounds like a bad idea, but I have a really nice hand mesh already made, I'll get some pics up when it's done, I think you'll like it.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:53 pm

i think this mesh looks awsome. if it was not for the teath, and the sixpack, i would say that is my brother

. shhh don't tell him.

Post by **sinbad** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:22 pm

Looking good wavez. And it looks like you might have some competition after all: http://www.ogre3d.org/phpBB2/viewtopic. ... highlight=

wavez · Post by **wavez** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:10 am

I was at my friends house the other night, and I noticed a war craft case on his desk, so I picked it up and looked at it, and (no, I've never played war craft before) I was pretty disheartened when I saw how terribly similier my ogre model is to the war craft orc. I wish I had seen this before.

wavez · Post by **wavez** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 7:36 am

I'm going to have to delay the release by about half a day. I'll post it as soon as it's done

wavez · Post by **wavez** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:03 pm

Hey guys. Well, I'm sorry to say that I was not able to convert my textured ogre head. One blender obj converter messes up the texture, and the other doesn't import the texture. So i tried a wings to ogre converter, but it seems to be in an endless loop right now. So I'm going to put up the .obj and .wings files. Here's a pic, this is what I was able to get done. The texture is still quite crude, I appologize. I'm not sure yet what I'm going to do with his eye brows. In the texture they look good, but on the mesh they don't.

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http://home.mlode.com/~rc/pics/HiResOgreHeadUV.jpg

http://home.mlode.com/~rc/tmp/newogrehead0.01.obj

A friend of mine working on a new import script for blender, and he's says it's working pretty good, so that head should be available as a .mesh soon enough. And I really need to work on that texture.
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Cyberdigitus · Post by **Cyberdigitus** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:27 am

I have this ogre i was working when this thread started, but i never actually posted a screenshot...

so, to revive this thread, here's a screen of it so far:

still needs work in many areas, like the chest and hands, as wel as detailing the head a bit more.

wavez · Post by **wavez** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:51 pm

Hi again everyone. I havn't dropped this project, it's just been kind of crazy lately. I got my new laptop and I tried linux on it, but I think I'm going to be happier if I use windows because I will be able to use more hardware like the flash memory card drive, and I'll be able to use more software like Rhino, Zbrush and Photo Shop. I really wanted to have textures on this model when I made it available for download, but I figured it's been long enough. The model is in pretty good shape, he has finger nails but no toe nails right now. I saw the news about the new converter that supports the ogre format, so maybe you guys can run this obj file through that. I used the script for blender to export the model to xml, but then the OgreXMLConverter said "The Mesh you have supplied does not have its bounds completely defined. Define them first before exporting.." Maybe someone could help me out, what does that mean?

I'll work on it some more later. Note that the feet are not level because this model is setup for a skeleton. My hope is that some of the demos will be able to take advantage of a skeleton with this model, or that maybe the shadow demo, for example, could use an ogre statue in a battle ready position, kinda like in my crappy ogre sketch on my site.

I will also work some more on the low res mesh, maybe add a little detail to it, but what it really needs is a texture. Now that I'm on windows and I can use Zbrush, the texturing process might work out a little better than my previous attempt. I hate texturing.

check it out:

http://home.mlode.com/~rc/artwork/HiResOgre.html

The most current pic is on the bottom.

cstretten · Post by **cstretten** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:16 pm

Hi everyone... I'm sorry I've been off the map for soo long.
I've moved once and changed jobs two times since my last post. Also had a new addition to the family... so I've been a little busy.

Anyway... I haven't forgotten about the ogre model, and I'll be back soon with something to show.
I promise.

Cheers,
Chris

Post by **jacmoe** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:47 am

@Cyberdigitus :
@Wavez :
@cstretten :

Very, very cool that you are ogreing out some ogres for Ogre!
If we can't pick the best one, we might get "The three Ogres" starring as our mascot.

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