Roll Your Own Ogre

KeaponLaffin · Post by **KeaponLaffin** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:08 pm

tonyzahn wrote:Hmm... Now I can see why we don't get too many artists posting stuff... Eveyone's a critic.

Keep up the good work.

It was just a little constructive comment. No insult intended.

Antiarc · Post by **Antiarc** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:51 am

Well, I fear I'm not quite up to cstretten's level artistically, but the saber looked fun, so I did a quick little Wings version of it. Needs to be textured, and is a little high poly (1284 faces...most of that's in the handle. Could be cut down easily enough though - simplify the ring and grip.), but it's not too bad. If you wanted to use normal maps, you could probably eliminate over 800 polys or so from the model without any apparent loss in details.

Wings file is here. Consider it to be released under the LGPL (or its artistic equivalent) - use it for what you want, but make any improvements available to others, too.

labigne · Post by **labigne** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:38 pm

Nice work antiarc.

Is Wing easy to use ? Because I might consider it in my production of a few meshes.

iq · Post by iq » Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:24 pm

Wings3D is great - only modeller where I managed to produce something useful in fact.

But then I'm not much of an artist ...

Only thing it does not do is animations.

cstretten · Post by **cstretten** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 4:41 pm

Great work Antiarc! Thats a nice model. I've never used Wings 3d before... I've been a Max junkie since version 2.

KeaponLaffin- critisism is always appreciated to me. I never take offense to constructive critisism. The smallish head could be accounted for the "type" of character he is. Brutish.. evil... not prone to bouts of heavy thinking or introspection.

Or it's size could simply be accounted for in my drawing it too small... hehehe.

Anyway, thanks all for the positive responses! I'm moving ahead to modeling the high res character asap.

Peace,
Chris

Post by **jacmoe** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 4:55 pm

Well, I think that monsters with big heads tend to have really small brains - I speak out of experience ...

Anyway - would be truly great to see that Ogre come to life !

Flexman_UK · Post by **Flexman_UK** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 8:09 pm

jacmoe wrote:Well, I think that monsters with big heads tend to have really small brains - I speak out of experience ...

Especially those "Beholders" of DnD fame. All head and a world of hurt.

KeaponLaffin · Post by **KeaponLaffin** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 2:58 am

jacmoe wrote:Well, I think that monsters with big heads tend to have really small brains - I speak out of experience ...

Anyway - would be truly great to see that Ogre come to life !

Big thick skulls with little inside.

I would do an ogre too, but I have too much work as it is. (And I suck at modeling.

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Anyway, good luck with the ogre cstretten. Can't wait to see it.

KeaponLaffin · Post by **KeaponLaffin** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 3:03 am

cstretten wrote:Great work Antiarc! Thats a nice model. I've never used Wings 3d before... I've been a Max junkie since version 2.

KeaponLaffin- critisism is always appreciated to me. I never take offense to constructive critisism. The smallish head could be accounted for the "type" of character he is. Brutish.. evil... not prone to bouts of heavy thinking or introspection.
Or it's size could simply be accounted for in my drawing it too small... hehehe.

Anyway, thanks all for the positive responses! I'm moving ahead to modeling the high res character asap.

Peace,
Chris

Either way, I'm sure it'll loke great. Anxiously waiting.

Manuel · Post by **Manuel** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 7:19 pm

I don't know if there is a model of this one, but it would be great!

http://forum.psd.it/viewtopic.php?t=925 ... &start=110

just scroll a little the bar

psyclonist · Post by **psyclonist** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 9:59 pm

Awesome!

KeaponLaffin · Post by **KeaponLaffin** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:21 am

Manuel wrote:I don't know if there is a model of this one, but it would be great!

http://forum.psd.it/viewtopic.php?t=925 ... &start=110

just scroll a little the bar

WOW! Now that thing's ugly!

Post by **butelo** » Tue May 11, 2004 9:11 pm

wow, a nice model,

wavez · Post by **wavez** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:35 pm

Okay, so I finally have something to show for myself. I too did a concept sketch and I posted it on my little angelfire site. I added color for effect, but the colors can always change. I figured if he was going to have a sword, it should look like he knows how to use it. Please note that I am not infering anything about anyone elses work, these are simply my thoughts when I began concieving my rendition of the ogre+sword idea. BTW, I really like the sword idea, I think it's a neat way to honor Sinbad.

So, I figure if he's going to be carrieing around a sword, it's going to be for a reason, and he's probably going to have experiance, so he's probably going to have a shield to go with it. I can take it away of course, that's just my thought on the matter. You can check it out here

Oh ya, I'll probaly add stuff, like arm bands, battle wounds, and maybe tatoo-like marks.

Please let me know what you think, and you may be brutaly honest, I won't take it personally.

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Oh ya, I almost forgot, I've started working on the mesh too. I'm also using wings--that is an excelent modeler imho. It's going to be a very high res resh at first, and then I can turn it down however much you might need. I'm going to have to either buy or find a texture mapping program though, because I have no way of doing that yet... I'll post when I have something worth looking at.

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KeaponLaffin · Post by **KeaponLaffin** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 8:38 pm

I think the "hulkish" look you mention on your site is mostly due to the skin color.

And now my brutal comments.

I looked at the drawing for a few minutes thinking to my self that something about the head looks funny. Then it hit me, he doesn't seem to have any ears! If this is the look you where going for then feel free to ignore me.

I like your sword, it has the simplicity of a real world sword, unlike a lot of the fantasy blades that artists tend to produce. Same goes for the shield. (Not bashing anyone elses work

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wavez · Post by **wavez** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:37 am

your right. I forgot to put ears on him. LOL. Well I drew him at like five in the morning, maybe that has something to do with it. Like I said, I have started working on the 3D model, and fortunatly I didn't forget his ears this time.

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Oh ya, I know that he only has four toes (on each foot). That was intentional. I did that just to mix it up a little. I''m going to add some things to it here an' there tonight, but after that, I think I'm going to leave it alone and focus on the mesh. Can't wait to hear some more feedback, good or bad, let me have it!

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KeaponLaffin · Post by **KeaponLaffin** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:32 am

wavez wrote:Oh ya, I know that he only has four toes (on each foot). That was intentional. I did that just to mix it up a little. I''m going to add some things to it here an' there tonight, but after that, I think I'm going to leave it alone and focus on the mesh. Can't wait to hear some more feedback, good or bad, let me have it!

The toes look fine to me.

Nice concept art, can't wait to see the mesh.

wavez · Post by **wavez** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:17 am

ok, you wanted to see the mesh, so here it is. On one condition though: no critisizing. It is a work in progress and it may change a lot from now untill it's done. If you want to talk about the look of my ogre design, please refer to the concept art above the 3D screen shot. Thank you.

I appologize for the popups if you get them.

The 3D screen shot is at the bottom of this page.

Thanks

I'd like to restate that critisism of my idea here is welcom (the drawing, not the screen shot). Hopfully it would be constructive, but if you just flat out don't like my idea, then just say why. Like I said, I won't take it personally.

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tonyzahn: I liked your offer btw. I saw that you restated it in the 'ogre head history' thread and thought I should say that I'd like to win something from the ogre store

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tonyzahn · Post by **tonyzahn** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:04 pm

@wavez
The mesh looks good, consider yourself first place in the running

Post by **jacmoe** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:35 pm

Look good - just a comment: a bit more Neanderthal-ish head, please.

Nah, keep it up - it rocks!!

wavez · Post by **wavez** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 6:21 am

thanks guys

I will try to work on it every night and post an updated screen shot. I think it has progressed nicely since this early morning. Check it out.

http://www.angelfire.com/music5/learnsmart/artwork.html

I will try to start working on a low resolution model--like what one might see in a computer game--either tonight or tomorrow. The low res version shouldn't take nearly as long as the high res one I'm working on now.

I pushing forward, so if there are any detracters out there, speak now, or forever hold your peace. Well, maybe not forever, but...

onikaze · Post by **onikaze** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:04 pm

so what exactly are you guys looking for ?

something cute and mascot-ish or

something cool in a 'heavy metal' sor t of way ?

that and how many bones for the control rig ?
would you want morph targets or bones for facial poses ?

what size restraints for textures , and how should they be split ? (say a base color , with a diffuse and specular , or does normal mapping take that all into acount? )

Post by **jacmoe** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:57 pm

Well, I'll go for a mascot-ish Ogre, but not too cute.

If you go for the überCool-ish hard-core metal version, it's easy to step over the line and into the puberty not-so-cool land.
We are developers, not immature students, right ?

((That's just my opinion))

SomeFusion · Post by **SomeFusion** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 4:47 pm

http://www.malwasandres.de/ogre.png

is that a immature students version?

KeaponLaffin · Post by **KeaponLaffin** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 7:20 pm

@wavez Looking good! I won't comment on the mesh for now, since it is in an early stage. But it does look like a great start.

Please keep us posted on your progress.

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